Why do we not invest more money into hydrogen for every gas station?
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It is still both a highly unstable technology and does not delivery the caliber of power that american demand from their cars
Hydrogen is not currently practical because there are virtually no vehicles that can run on it, no economical way of producing mass quantities of hydrogen, and no way to store and transport it that can serve the demand that you want to see. However, electric vehicles are within the scope of current technology. That is the way we should be moving.
It's easier said than done. Changes have to be made gradually.
Most vehicles don't run on it and most people can't afford to pay thousands for a new hybrid and it costs a lot to try to convert an older car.
There are still no cost-efficient ways to produce the alternative fuel and it's really expensive for gas stations to adjust and offer it. Why should they fork out all the money if they don't have enough demand yet?
We just have to take it one step at a time, and also not forget the other alternative power sources for vehicles.
cars that are able to run on hydrogen would be very expensive and hydrogen can be dangerous if not stabilized. e.g. H-bomb. Tons of money would have to be invested and it would take years to develop. It's more of a long-term solution, and I think people are currently looking for short-term solutions like running on ethanol.
How? There's LOTS of ways to go. You need to define your parameters.
Despite what some believe, hydrogen fuel cells are no more dangerous than gasoline. Crash tests have demonstrated this. The problems are economic rather than purely scientific. Hydrogen powered vehicles can be made today but not at a cost we can afford. Also, hydrogen is not plentiful. We could produce it through electrolysis (remember high school chemistry class) but not in sufficient quantity.
We need to "declare war" on carbon based energy and pursue a national effort to find clean, alternative energy. Hydrogen, nuclear, solar, and wind are but a few of the possibilities.
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Believe me ...
me and you and all regular people love to invest their money into the technologies give us benefits like greener and cheaper. But ... here is the idea of what control our EARTH.
the few Big Boys (WALL ST share holders) who have their money now in GAS fields pays the governments not to authorize and delays the new Tech like Hydrogen and even the corn ethanol 85E.
it will take time, which its not based on Labs progresses or change tanks in the gas stations, even the tanks in the car or the whole engine. these things will be made in a day.
my point is to show the world , we are follow these who they call them self's God's . like sheep's . and this is the way it goes ... we are humans .
one thing to think about, why you go to the dentist to do teeth cleaning every six month, why instead Sansodyne or Colgate do the same staff what the dentist use, and clean your teeth.
no. this way Dintist will go out of Bussiness.
Same thing in AIDS, Cancer etc... dont believe they dont have cure for it right now. Yes they do.
they need people to die. otherwise the population will rise, this will put more responsibilities on the Governments.
sorry for the long answer. but its all connected together.
The demand is not there yet.
If more people bought cars that used hydrogen, etc. then the service stations might offer it more.
short answer: it would cost the oil companies too much $.
cause we still got like trillion gallons of gasoline left
and hyfrogen cars will run every gas station out of business
Tends to blow up, not easily convertible, really expensive at the moment, The big three auto makers aren't tooled up for it. How about bio fuel. Al of our interstates would smell like french fries, but you could fill up at any McDolnalds, BurgerKing, Wendys, Carls Jr. Jack in the Box, Dennys, ect ad nauseum.
because if most people use the same (gas) then they can raise the gas prices as high as they want to-it wont be long into it's $5.15 a gallon
Actually, I just recently saw on Fox News that in 2009, both Honda and BMW both plan to introduce Hydrogen-powered cars. They come with a portable battery-powered converter that chemically pulls the hydrogen out of regular tap water, and makes it into fuel (and all that is leftover from this process is the byproduct of fresh oxygen). So, it's being worked on, just wait a couple of years and see how we advance.
Hydrogen is actually not a very plentiful gas in the state we need it -- pure hydrogen.
To get pure hydrogen, the current technology either converts natural gas (a fossil fuel) or uses an electrolysis process to split molecules of water into hydrogen and oxygen. Both of these processes are currently more costly than using petroleum.
In addition, hydrogen has to be compressed in order to make it occupy a small enough space to store or to put into a vehicle. This takes more equipment.
Transporting hydrogen is also an issue. There is no delivery system in place except trucking it in compressed form.
Gasoline stations do not have the storage tanks, the source of supply or the demand for the product since there is no fleet of hydrogen vehicles.
I have read of the idea that we could convert water into hydrogen in our homes using solar or wind generated electricity. But it would mean a major investment in both solar cells or windmills, then power converters to convert the electricity into usable form, then compressors to compress the hydrogen and - - - well, you get the idea. For most people, the thousands of dollars necessary to have a personal system would not be feasible in today's techological and economic circumstances. And even if you had a system at home, where would you fill up if you took a road trip?
Hydrogen's time will probably come. But we must all realize that changing to a new energy system will require immense additional costs for infrastructure to create and distribute the product and new vehicles to consume the product.
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May 15, 2007
Energy Dept. Awards $11.2 Million for Hydrogen Research
WASHINGTON, DC – The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) today announced $11.2 million in awards for research aimed at overcoming the scientific challenges associated with the production, storage and use of hydrogen.
“This funding will support transformational scientific research addressing major issues underpinning the hydrogen economy: hydrogen storage, essential for transportation; and catalysts, for hydrogen production, storage and use," Under Secretary for Science Dr. Raymond L. Orbach said.
DOE’s Office of Science selected 13 projects that will focus on fundamental science in support of hydrogen technologies. Universities and national laboratories in 10 states and Washington, DC will conduct the research.
The projects are part of a department-wide, comprehensive, balanced portfolio of basic and applied research, technology development and demonstration projects aimed at significantly advancing President Bush’s Hydrogen Fuel Initiative. DOE selected the new projects through a merit-review, competitive solicitation process and plans to fund additional projects in fiscal year 2008.
The projects will address two priority technical areas:
Novel Materials for Hydrogen Storage (7 projects, $5.6 million over three years)
Both the National Academy of Sciences and DOE have identified hydrogen storage as a key technology for the successful implementation of hydrogen and fuel cell technologies. A broad range of research in hydrogen storage is covered by these projects, including: complex hydrides; nanostructured and novel materials; theory, modeling and simulation; and state-of-the-art analytical and characterization tools to develop novel storage materials and methods.
Nanoscale Catalysts (6 projects, $5.6 million over three years)
Catalysts play a vital role in hydrogen production, storage and use. Specifically, catalysts are needed for producing hydrogen from water or carbon-containing fuels such as coal and biomass, increasing hydrogen storage kinetics and producing electricity at low cost from hydrogen in fuel cells. Research areas include: innovative synthetic techniques; novel characterization techniques; and theory, modeling and simulation of catalytic pathways.
The list of new projects follows.
Basic Research for the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative
Institution-Project Title
Novel Hydrogen Storage Materials
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Quantum Tuning of Chemical Reactivity for Storage and Generation of Hydrogen Fuels
Rutgers University
Novel Theoretical and Experimental Approaches for Understanding and Optimizing Hydrogen-Sorbent Interactions in Metal Organic Framework Materials
Stony Brook University
Influence of Pressure on Physical Property of Ammonia Borane and its Re-hydrogenation
University of California, Davis
Activation of Hydrogen Under Ambient Conditions by Main Group Molecules
University of California, Santa Barbara
Computational Studies of Hydrogen Interactions with Storage Materials
University of Missouri-Columbia
Networks of Boron-Doped Carbon Nanopores for Low-Pressure Reversible Hydrogen Storage
University of South Florida
Novel Porous Metal-Organic Frameworks for
Hydrogen Storage
Nanoscale Catalysts
Argonne National Laboratory
Structure/Composition/Function Relationships in Supported Nanoscale Catalysts for Hydrogen Generation
Brookhaven National Laboratory
In-situ Studies of the Active Sites and Mechanism for the Water-Gas-Shift Reaction on Metal/Oxide Nanocatalysts
Georgetown University
An in situ Electrode-Potential-Controlled Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Investigation of Sulfur-Poisoning Effect on Platinum Based Mono- and Bi-metallic Nanoscale Electrocatalysts
Ohio State University
Investigation of the Nature of Active Sites on Heteroatom-Containing Carbon Nano-Structures for Oxygen Reduction Reaction
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
New Bio-Inspired Molecular Catalysts for Hydrogen Oxidation and Hydrogen Production
University of Virginia
Theory-Aided Design of Active and Durable Nanoscale Cathode Catalysts
Additional information about the new awards. The basic hydrogen research program is administered by the department’s Office of Basic Energy Sciences in the Office of Science. More information about DOE’s Hydrogen Program.
DOE's Office of Science is the single largest supporter of basic research in the physical sciences in the nation and helps ensure U.S. world leadership across a broad range of scientific disciplines. The Office of Science supports a diverse portfolio of research at more than 300 colleges and universities nationwide, manages 10 world-class national laboratories with unmatched capabilities for solving complex interdisciplinary scientific problems, and builds and operates the world’s finest suite of scientific facilities and instruments used annually by more than 19,000 researchers to extend the frontiers of all areas of science.
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Ever seen a hydrogen car? Know any neighbors building one? I haven't.
I've seen lots of electric cars, and lots of biodiesels though.
It's all about the the mighty Dollar, and it is to much like doing the right thing.
What is largely missing from the public discussion of Hydrogen fuel cells is that Hydrogen, in the form available to us, is not a fuel. It is a battery. Start with water, add electricity, and get hydrogen. Then at the fuel cell, we get water and electricity back out.
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This is a reversible chemical process, exactly what happens inside a battery. The hydrogen simply "carries" the energy provided by the electricity. Except this process is much LESS efficient - more energy is lost - than in all other battery technologies.
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Fuel cell cars are electric cars. Except that a Fuel cell car - compared to a regular EV - will always be more expensive to buy and to fuel because of the added fuel cell components, and the inferior energy efficiency.
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Research money and resources should be going towards emerging battery technologies, all of which are showing much more promise than hydrogen. Example, the Altairnano batteries in these electric cars:
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http://zapworld.com/zapworld.aspx?id=456...
http://phoenixmotorcars.com/models/fleet...
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The ZAP-X electric car sports 644 horsepower - 155mph top speed. It travels 350 miles on a charge - its batteries charge in only 10 minutes. And the batteries will last 10 to 20 years. The Phoenix EV uses the same battery technology, and is being sold and built right now for fleet use.
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Hydrogen is a question of Chain Reaction and up today only one person own this knowledge. In order to drive a hydrogen car more than 50 mile, you will need a gas-hydrogen station every 45 miles, but with the system found on : www.santanaeffect.com you can drive 600 miles, but is not allowed. He was almost kill for showing the truth.
The company i represent has a patent on a hydrogen fuel cell that increases milieage by 50-100% iamhr2@yahoo.com for the details
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