Have you noticed that NOAA observations differ from Global Warming advocates observations, Why is that so?
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Because AGW advocates need to prove that mankind is behind it, or their funding dries up.
Billions of Dollars is currently being spent on Global Warming research. Anybody who says "wait a minute, what if it's NOT warming.what if it IS warming but it's NOT our fault" they threaten the current gravy train.
"Consensus" is NOT a scientific term.
Galileo fought a "consensus" too.
Anders: Your very naive about the political, scientific, and religious issues of Galileo's day, and some more investigation might enlighten you. He bucked the Scientific Community of his day, who said that there was "nothing new" to be discovered in the heavens. THEY are the ones who referred his writings to the Church claiming them to be "heretical."
Plato and Aristotle had declared the "argument decided" regarding whether there was "anything new" in the sky to be discovered, and the Academics of Galileo's day believed them.
Learn to give sources. If you want AGW proponents to reply you could atleast provide the sources. Or are you here just to put forth doubt? If so, I won't bother wasting time on a more extensive answer.
What observations is it that differs?
What are the observations made by global warming advocates?
jbtascam: Consensus means that many qualified persons have loked at the evidence and agree.
Galileo fought a religious consensus based upon mans central role in the solar system. He advocated a more scientific approach, in which the Sun is in the center and Earth circles it.
"Galileo Galilei pioneered the use of quantitative experiments whose results could be analyzed with mathematical precision".
"Although he tried to remain loyal to the Catholic Church, Galileo's adherence to experimental results, and their most honest interpretation, led to his rejection of blind allegiance to authority, both philosophical and religious, in matters of science. In broader terms, this helped separate science from both philosophy and religion, a major development in human thought."
Who cares just STOP POLLUTING.
Are you a lobbyist?
No, I haven't. Maybe you should explain how they differ (and provide links as evidence). Otherwise it's rather hard to discuss.
Scientists are funded to find results to what pleases their supporters. If I paid you to say that orange is truly red and that red is truly orange, and you did not, I would stop paying you and pay someone else.
Free Tibet.
What observations are you talking about??? Do you think climatologists don't look at all the data??? Because it's all a massive conspiracy???
These NOAA guys don't think so. And the consensus is not the proof, the consensus is there BECAUSE of the data and the proof.
"The fact that the community overwhelmingly supports the consensus is evidenced by picking up any copy of Journal of Climate or similar, any scientific program at the meetings, or simply going to talk to scientists. I challenge you, if you think there is some un-reported division, show me the hundreds of abstracts that support your view - you won't be able to. You can argue whether the consensus is correct, or what it really implies, but you can't credibly argue it doesn't exist."
Dr. James Baker - NOAA
"There's a better scientific consensus on this [climate change] than on any issue I know.
Global warming is almost a no-brainer at this point,You really can't find intelligent, quantitative arguments to make it go away."
Dr. Jerry Mahlman, NOAA
I would like to see the data. I don't think anyone doesn't believe in GW. It is just some of the data that is in question.
Gee, according to standard talk radio definitions, NOAA *is* a "Global Warming advocate".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/glob...
Here's a NOAA site that debunks Global Warming denial:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/infodata/fa...
So what the heck are you talking about?
I haven't noticed that the NOAA is ANY different than the rest of the Global Warming advocates. They are all pushing an agenda ...
I've also noticed that their observations differ from IPCC observations.
How many of them do you hear stating that there is no correlation between the Greenhouse effect and daytime temperatures? The AR4 points out that the observed global warming is only measurable in warmer nights.
The answer to your question is one of politics. If a family member wanted to help you solve a problem for your own good, but stooped to exaggeration, lies of omissions, fear-mongering, and other purposeful distortions at EVERY turn, the level of trust would be so low that you might question the motives of that family member...or even if there was a problem at all.
I, for one, do believe we have an unhealthy addiction to fossil fuels and over-consumption of resources in general. I do believe we have a problem with environmental destruction that unnecessarily burdens future generations. I simply do not believe that we have enough good information on current climate change and its causes and consequences to justify putting it at a higher prority than all our known problems.
You mean this?
NOAA website FAQs:
"Is the climate warming?
Yes. Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.6°C (plus or minus 0.2°C) since the late-19th century, and about 0.4°F (0.2 to 0.3°C) over the past 25 years (the period with the most credible data)."
And then there's this...
"Inspectors general at two agencies have begun an investigation into whether the Bush administration has suppressed government scientists' research on global warming, officials at NASA and the Commerce Department confirmed yesterday.
Tom Knutson, a climate research scientist at NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, N.J., said he could not speak in his official capacity, "but as a private citizen, I think it's a good idea they're looking into that. There should be open lines of communication between scientists and the media, and some of what I experienced did not meet that standard."
A year ago, Knutson said, Bush administration officials twice blocked him from discussing with television reporters a possible connection between global warming and hurricanes."
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